Emotion And Logic Are Not Enemies / Opposites

I got lost down a rabbit hole of personality tests thanks to having visited the INTP subreddit (thanks to a mention of said forum by fellow blogger Blunt Japanese Woman).

I understand said tests are an imperfect and often unscientific way of categorizing people, but I also find that I can learn things about myself, and that many of us have similar ways of processing information and interacting with the world around us.

I took the Jung type test #1 first and started to wonder, over the course of the test, if I would still test as INTP. You see, I’ve developed a major frustration with the way options are presented during these tests, and how imprecise I find the language sometimes, or where I’m presented with an either/or option when my answer would be neither or both.

Take question #2:
-I can easily think of things to say to keep the conversation flowing.
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-I like to size them up before I initiate conversation.

I’m not at a loss for words in conversation. I can talk the hind legs off a donkey.* I don’t really ‘size people up’ before initiating conversation, I am just unlikely to be the person to initiate conversation in person, but as soon as someone else initiates, I can take off like a rocket.

Question #3:
I more often feel the urge to roll my eyes when others
-don’t have their act together.
or
-are inflexible and lack spontaneity.

Both. I have been personally annoyed and inconvenienced by both types.

Question #4: (I swear I’m not going through every question on the test, ahem.)
When others communicate, I more often get distracted when they
-demonstrate disregard for others’ feelings or unawareness of their own feelings.
or
-make errors of logic or fact.

Questions that pit logic/facts and emotions against each other drive me insane.

Emotions ARE facts. They are a biological reality. They are our earliest form of communication – a language, if you will. When we’re not busy ignoring them, their function is to help us understand our needs and the needs of others so that those needs can be met. They’re a tool for interpersonal communication. It’s not logical to ignore your emotions or the emotions of others.

Question #6:
When faced with a novel challenge
-I prefer to think the problem through, using my knowledge and experience to come up with a solution that I know will work. The approach doesn’t have to be glamorous as long as it gets the job done.
or
-I tend to end up exploring and imagining the new possibilities that I had not pondered before and the excitement can sometimes can sometimes lead me away from the original problem.

Again, both. It depends on if the challenge has a time frame and negative consequences for failing to come up with a relatively speedy solution.

Question #8 was so lengthy I don’t feel like repeating it here, but it basically had to do with how disagreements over an issue should be handled – with pure logic/rationality vs sensitivity to the other person’s emotions and experiences. This isn’t either/or! You can, in fact, engage in an argument using facts while ALSO being sensitive to the other person’s experiences (sometimes their experiences are, in FACT, a valid bit of data that needs to be included in the argument!)

Question #9 is related:
If someone wants to convince you of something
-they should show me the logic, pointing out how their position is more rational than competing positions.
or
-they should show me how their position connects with my values and how it affects the people involved.

Knowing how an issue affects the people involved is a necessary and logical part of choosing a position on any given issue!

Okay, I swear I’m done dissecting the questions for now as people’s eyes will start glazing over, otherwise. There will, however, be upcoming posts about the questions or results on other tests.

For anyone still wondering, yes, I did get INTP as a result.

*I have no idea if ‘talk the hind legs off a donkey’ is something people still say or one of those bits of archaic slang I’ve collected from my forays into a random assortment of older books.

19 thoughts on “Emotion And Logic Are Not Enemies / Opposites

  1. My solution to all those questions would be to crumple it up and throw it at the person testing me. I had an unprof doc go through some informal questionnaire with me and became so livid with her lack of understanding about what I was going through, they had to usher me out. Good for you for exploring your self! Self discovery, your own path is awesome!

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  2. I don’t trust tests anymore. I would use CS Joseph’s typing grid (https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/9jezaj/what_do_you_guys_think_of_cs_josephs_typegrid_v2/), or when in doubt between two types look at the cognitive functions. And I’m fully aware I’m sending down another rabbit hole with CS Joseph lol.

    The test questions are so ridiculous to the point that you could manipulate the test into giving you a certain result.

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    1. Plus, the tests don’t account for differences in socialization and how someone may respond in a way that isn’t the way they’d naturally respond, but instead the way they were trained to respond. (Like, how many men test as T instead of F simply because they’ve been raised to suppress and ignore their emotions?)

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      1. Yeah, that’s one, and another one is that with the test you’re supposed to answer “how you would prefer to respond to the situation if there were no consequences/limitations/obligation/threats”, but what some people end up doing is answering with “what I personally don’t like, but has worked in the past” or “what I trained myself to do because my mom will hate me if I do what I really want to do” (which i realize now is what I’m assuming you mean by “socialization”. Oops).
        From what I have seen with the young ppl on r/INTP, and with two younger people I kind of mentor in real life, is that the test (and typing even) prolly won’t work if you haven’t been through some major failures AND have gotten through it.

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      2. Yes, things like family influence are one of the things I meant by socialization! A lot of times we’re trained to respond not in the way that’s most natural to us, but most natural to the family that raised us! And it takes time and practice to realize what your response would be without that influence!

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      3. True. All so true. Veridus. (Randomly practicing newly learned Latin word)

        I didn’t know that you were “allowed” to be nice to other people until around high school. Boy what a horrible kid I was back then. lol

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      4. That’s awkward! I can’t think of specifics right now, but I remember I used to test all over the place – always I and T, but it might be INTJ, INTP, ISTJ, ISTP… because I’d been raised to focus on behavior choices that were more S & J based, while N & P were what was actually natural to me, personally.

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      5. I think it can be more difficult for some people than others to develop empathy if they don’t have it modeled to them (or are exposed to it via fiction/teaching). I was probably around 14 when I started thinking of what I was doing and whether or not I’d enjoy having it done to me, and understanding that some of my actions might be making people unhappy. I did some cruel things as a kid because they seemed fun/funny at the time.

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      6. Yeah, the only good role models I had in my life were school teachers. All of my family members are essentially crazy so it really did not help.

        It’s weird, but I’m thinking this is why I enjoy age gap romance novels so much. I love it when one person in the relationship is older and more positive, and the grumpier younger person is being all snarky at first but gradually learn to be a better person.
        Afaik from what I read on your blog though, I’m not getting the feeling that you would read romance novels. lol

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      7. I have a complicated relationship with romance novels at this point. At one point I associated them with ‘flighty femininity’ and looked down on them because of that. I eventually got over that and came to see their value, but I -really- love sci-fi & fantasy as a genre, and sci-fi/fantasy romance novels are relatively new to the scene, and I haven’t checked them out yet.

        On the other hand, I’m -writing- sci-fi / fantasy that wouldn’t fit the format of a romance novel but do heavily involve romantic relationships.

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      8. Oooh you write! XD
        Excuse me if you’ve been writing about this in your blog because I’m still new here (currently going through the indoctrination series!)

        If you want a beta reader that’s useless for grammar checking but is somewhat familiar with the indie kindle marketplace on Amazon, I’m happy to volunteer!

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      9. Thanks, that’s really nice of you to offer (and I’ll remember it for future reference) but right now my fiction writing is on hold, due to not having the emotional bandwidth to work on it while trying to survive my life right now (and the anxiety that comes with seeking employment).

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      1. CS Joseph has a very entertaining channel on personality typing. I find him to be more systematic (which I love) and mature than other channels I’ve seen in the typing community.

        Here’s his INTP video if you’re interested:

        His ENTP personality can be kind at intimidating at first but now I can see that he is a good man, just extremely different from me.

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